Posts by Half banana

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Confused: What does the overlapping generation really mean?

by MicaSmith in

can someone help me understand how the wt came up with the overlapping generation theory?

i just don't understand it even though i read the information several times.

it's bewildering.

Half banana

(Grammatical error alert! I meant a leap too far in my post above) when referring to applying the 'generation' scripture to the lives of those who saw 1914.

Very clearly the "generation of 1914" was the defining Watchtower statement from Frederick Franz who was baptized as a Bible Student around the year 1914. Self deluded and narcissistic preachers always see the Bible in the light of their own experience and Fred Franz with an ego as big as Yankee Stadium gloried in his private vision of how things should be if he were god.

How crass, how stupid to believe Fred Franz and the scabby Watchtower for all those years. How many millions of lives wasted because of this futile doctrine?

And I agree with you Finky baby, they will in future (if they haven't collapsed completely) just apply the scripture to each succeeding generation as if it was Jesus' intention. Stupidity piled on stupidity.

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Confused: What does the overlapping generation really mean?

by MicaSmith in

can someone help me understand how the wt came up with the overlapping generation theory?

i just don't understand it even though i read the information several times.

it's bewildering.

Half banana

Mica you realize just how far removed from reality any of this 'generation' talk is when the Bible uses Jesus's (apparent ) words to say, "I tell you this: "There are some of those standing here who will not taste death before they have seen the kingdom of God already come in power". (Mar 9;1)

He meant his generation, those alive when he was. His followers were to be flogged in the synagogues (Mar 13;9) ; it was about Jewish life...he said "When you see the abomination...let those in Judea flee to the hills"...it was about Jewish territory. In Mark 13;30 he said "The present generation will live to see it all".............

Jesus got it wrong because it was religious hype in the first place; an unholy scam for the Jewish peasants who whilst under Roman rule had no other hope but in the miracle-working god-man saviour myth.

The words recorded in the gospels have nothing to do with the twenty first century. Instead they are the scrapings of the barrel from the religious hopes of people long dead but kept alive for the gullible by the doomsday merchants such as the JW org.

The idea of extending Jesus' "generation" to the 1914 generation is a leap to far; then by saying "overlapping generations" is what Jesus meant, is so far beyond reason to be dismissed without consideration as the most pathetic excuse.

As in the first century the only expectation we can have from prophetic pronouncements is total disappointment. JW org has given proof to this.

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"I should have known" moments

by dubstepped in

i got ready for the meeting.

my wife did too.

we drove out to the kingdom hall and the closer we got the higher my anxiety would spike.

Half banana

Like you Dubstepped, I always was full of anxiety at the kingdom hell. Yes is was a sign that belonging there was psychologically unhealthy.

The relief I felt when I finally left the org and walked out during the middle of a meeting...it was so liberating. I felt at that time although in my early forties, I grew up and became a more relaxed person.

It is stressful for many to belong to the JW cult. There is so much dependency among them for pills to make them happy. Does this tell us that JWs are sad people looking for a magical cure or that the hope of paradise and trust in God is not enough?

Either way it is a harmful, uncaring, anxiety causing, life throttling, lying and false religion...

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Half banana

Never ever trust anything the JW organization says, its just a failed doomsday cult.

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Hello Everyone!!!

by Christian Gutierrez in

my name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.

we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.

we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.

Half banana

Hi Christian and Katja,welcome to the site. Your Youtube videos are dignified and delightful. You don't have the raving apostate terror look about you! so welcome to the real world.

I think Mille has already asked for more details about your departure, what were the triggers for your awakening?

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Just An Update

by LexIsFree in

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friends

you have to live your own.

i chose to live life for me.

live it!!!

Half banana

Thanks Lexisfree for an affirmation of the free and honest life available once outside of the cult.

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A new article on Gerrit's thinking on "Going to College is like pulling the trigger to our mouth"

by opusdei1972 in

i have written a new article about how truthful is gerrit's comparison.

as you may know, in 2005 gerrit losch gave a talk in which he compared higher education with committing suicide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjh4qvmxyhy.

Half banana

The governing body are not concerned if they stunt your education. They do not care if you become dependent on the state for handouts because you do not have a career. They are not concerned if you cannot financially cope with your family’s welfare.

Why? Because they forbid anything other than slaving for them!

The GB are the only beneficiaries of this religion and the critical analysis of argument which is required in higher education; kills fundamentalist belief stone dead.

The only thing which sustains the idiotic beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses is enforced ignorance. When will JWs realize it?

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Commercial activism.

by Ben131895 in

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in his last couple of vlogs, john cedars is wearing a t-shirt saying shunned.

some people liked it and asked him if they could purchase one.. in his last vlog (#111) he is advertising it and mentioned the link www.apostee.com, based in the us.

comments attached to vlog # 110 mentioned the fact that this company will close in april and that the business will be continued by cedars itself, who has also a stock of anti-witness items.. besides that, he was not the owner of jwsurvey.org, but since january 16, 2016 he is.. it looks (as mentioned before by simon in an earlier thread), this guy is making a living from his activism, a paid career.. one should seriously question his true motives, demonstrated in his activism.

Half banana

I'm with dubstepped, if someone can devote their time to expose the reckless and life- suppressing dogma which the JW org dish out, I would support his endeavours.

I might re-think if he drove a Rolls Royce but even then if he was effective in his chosen work, we would not complain.

We tend to do a lot of talking here...we need more action against the JW org after all.

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Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered for Wishing Friends a Happy Easter on Twitter

by cofty in

horrible crime in glasgow on thursday evening when a well loved muslim shop keeper asad shah was stabbed to death by at least one other muslim man.

mohammad faisal, a family friend, said a bearded muslim wearing a long religious robe entered mr shah’s shop and spoke to him in his native language before stabbing him in the head with a kitchen knife.. mr shah had posted the twitter message ‘good friday and a very happy easter, especially to my beloved christian nation’.

residents of shawlands in glasgow say he was well respected and had been known to hand out christmas cards to neighbours despite being of a different faith.. hundreds have turned out in a vigil near the crime scene....

Half banana

Many of the recent Muslim atrocities have been perpetrated by individuals with criminal records.

It would seem that the religion endorses vile behaviour if done in the interests of Allah. The disaffected, mentally ill and criminal can strike a heroic note in their little lives by outrageous acts of cruelty and murder if the religion sets a precedent for such actions. Blind faith encourages moral blindness as well.

How tragic for this man's family.

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CLAM - 24th March 2016 (Video Vignette)

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

video - "use insight when comforting others"this was a wt contrived video of a sister who was widowed a year ago, and turns to members of the boe after a meeting in the kingdom hall in a distraught emotional state accompanied by suicidal thoughts.

two members of the boe saw her in her own home later that day.she conveyed that she wanted her life back - that her heart had been ripped out.

the elder acknowledges that "you and dan had a wonderful relationship".

Half banana

The JW org is first and foremost a Bible quoting religion. They imagine that by quoting scriptures and examples from the Bible it is the key to answering every problem.

I agree NK this is dangerous and foolish.

The 'sister' in the vignette is conditioned to expect the sort of comfort recommended (Biblical examples) but in the real world grief and loss is not healed by unqualified help from spiritual leaders of the congregation. As you say, they need professional treatment.

The reluctance to do this on the part of the org. I think, is because they imagine "scripture quoting" is a panacea and secondly the GB will not relinquish their total control over a member to outsiders, even if this means they do not get the right help and suffer more as a consequence.

I do hope the lack of enthusiasm for the JW org's prescription was a general indicator for lack of loyalty to the heartless, self interested governing body.